“Are they serious? I went out of my way just to vote no on this. We the people purchased the exisiting jail back in the 90s. The people we trusted to take care of that facility failed us. That place is absolutely disgusting and a disgrace to Canyon County. Our elected officials are directly responsible for keeping that building in good condition. Now they want us to give them a brand spanking new facility that they can allow to fall into a state of disrepair. If they do get a new jail they will have it filled up with people who dont need to be in there. Since they have been forced to be creative lately and deal with what they have I have not really noticed an increase in the crime rate. I will go out of my way once again to vote no on this and I will bring every single person I can find with me. I will charter a bus if I have to.

“Do that, you might be able to get the percentage against it under 50%. Good thing a super majority is needed here huh. After all, we can't have the will of the people followed. They might actually vote this thing in! They obviously don't know what they are voting yes for is the only possible explanation why they voted the way they did, right?

“In other posts from you , the commissioners and sheriff can do no right and you accuse them of doing what you are proposing right now. You use language like "Shoving down our throats". Funny, but a failed bond election can hardly be construed as shoved down your throat. You must be smoking crack or have a split personality or something. Nobody trusts you anymore. Why should anyone trust anything you have to say? You are "Captain Anonymous", the inside assassin. Maybe you should open your ears and listen. Your coworkers are sick and tired of you trashing them in these posts while they are trying to make this county a better place to live. You like bashing people anonymously don't you. Careful, you aren't as anonymous as you think you are. If you hate working for the county, then leave. Otherwise shut up. We have taken enough of your abuse. You want to criticize, use your real name so your victims at least get to confront their accuser.

“Wow! What's your name? Or are you really a Split Personality? Wait until the next vote, you'll find concerned citizens fighting the regional jail plan again - and winning again!

“Oh you again, couldn't resist could you? Plenty of character assassination coming from you to. You are no better than flyonthewall. Why don't you prove my point and show the rest of the world what kind of cowards you and flyonthewall really are and resort to more character assassination and insults behind your masks of anonymity? You want to step up to the plate and reveal yourself first? Didn't think so. You can dish it out but you can't seem to take it very well can you? I saw how you crucified those other folks who put their names out there when they gave their opinions while you hid behind your masks like a bunch of little scurrying cockroaches. Own up for your accusations or shut up. Stick to the issues or is character assassination and an anti law enforcement attitude all you got?

“It might be time for the people in office to consider the notion of a regional jail. We all know the deal with the current site and the fact they were shoving this down our throats and it didn't fly. A regional jail with all the counties in the valley paying for this with their tax base may actually be a good deal for all concerned. I am thinking a College of Western Idaho approach to the problem and opportunity. One thing for sure is the waste and spend crowd has got to get their act together. We don't need TVCC in downtown Caldwell for a mere $10 Million when they send over $300K a year back to Oregon. We don't need a new library and police station in downtown Nampa for another $68 Million. We don't need a trolley in downtown Boise. There is a limit to what people will support and if the Canyon County Commissioners have not yet figured out their jail project out on 20/26 is DOA there isn't any hope for them as leaders. They blew it with the voters when they rubbed their face in the way they went about it the last two attempts to pass a jail bond. Lets hope they can open their ears and listen to the people paying the bills. We are not buying into the notion you can run two jails as cheaply as one. No matter how you present it to us.

“Do you really think voters want cheaper? I don't see how building a jail will help the voters. I think what the Canyon County Mayors need to do is get to work and hold some police officers accountable. Its unacceptable to have officers harass people, and stop us like an officer told me "Because he can"! I clearly knew what he was looking for and that was another illegal to hold in our jail and cost the taxpayers more money. That isn't fair and when we have called them as an emergency it's unacceptable to have police officers show up 45 minutes later. Why must more woman die at the hands of abusers? Wasn't anything learned when Angie Deleon died, or did it matter? Why are they high consequences for threatening an officer and when a woman is not enough people care! Clean up your departments and get those chiefs to work and that includes our judicial system what a joke! Remember your all at the mercy of the voters and with all the change of people coming into the valley that know better you might be out of a job.

“That is priceless! Blame the police for your woes. Thank you Lisa Ramirez for weighing in on the matter. We know you are a staunch supporter of Hispanic rights and hate all the police because you think they racially profile you. Go back to work, Health and Welfare doesn't pay you to sit around and bite the hand that feeds you all day. You want to limit the size of the jail and make it smaller so they have to release more offenders back into the streets so tragedies like Angies can be repeated? Unbelievable! You complain about offenders being released who shouldn't have been in one sentence then yell punish the police it's their fault! Close the jail! Lets take a look at who's in jail Lisa shall we! 23 on Domestic Battery. 2 on Domestic Battery with Strangulation. 2 for Felony Injury to a child. 7 for No contact/Protection order viol. 21 for sex crimes against children. 3 for Rape. 3 for kidnapping. 1 for Fail to register as sex offender. 1 for Felony Stalking. Where do we start I wonder. Who to release first. Hmmmm. This is not another case of the cops picking on poor Lisa coming from the funeral of a gang member while she was actually stopped for a unrelated matter by a cop. Look I'm being oppressed just because I'm Hispanic! Strange but my wife and kids are of Hispanic origins and yet they don't seem to suffer at the hands of the evil police. You so desperately want to make this a race issue when it's really a jail overcrowding issue. What's that? "Try being mexican"? Where those not your words not so long ago? Your bias against the police is so obvious it's disgusting. I'm just wondering how you represent the public in your job at Health and Welfare with that bias. Why don't you try to do your job Lisa, and let the Police do theirs.

“I understand your concerns about separarating violent offenders from their victims, but I wish to question the long range effect of such incarceration; Do you have any information concerning the rates of recidivism in respect to Canyon County inmates? Have there been any serious attempts to re-educate violent offenders,(especially those with exagerated macho attitudes)? Did we not see the warning signs when these offenders were in the 2nd grade? Can we feel safer when they have done their time and return to our community?

“So the school systems inability to deal with problem kids is now Law Enforcements fault? Or would it be more accurate to say you would rather not let it get that far to begin with? This still doesn't change the fact we have very real offenders to deal with right now and no place to put them. I agree with you Claudio that incarceration alone is not the answer. Incarceration is only one part of the formula. There has to be a penalty because without it you will have anarchy. You are also correct there is no programming space for rehabilitation of offenders in the jail. In fact all efforts by Law Enforcement to provide the space and programs have been shot down by the taxpayers as they view these efforts as wasteful, coddling, or worse still as rewarding them. They accuse the Sheriff of trying to build a "Palace" for inmates, all the while demanding a Joe Arpaio style tent city, and to make the inmates "Suffer" because they don't deserve any better in their eyes. Nobody wants to fund any programs or facility that involves inmates. You withhold all funding and then wonder why we are in the state we are in? Cutting funding even more isn't going to fix it. There is an old addage that you can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink. This is true with offenders as well. Until they want to change they will not. The only time this will happen is when the alternative is a more unattractive option to them than the cure. To make matters worse, the taxpayers of this community have unwittingly opened the door for the ACLU to more easily win lawsuits against the county. After the first million dollars is awarded to inmates because of this shortsightedness I already know what the headlines will be. Cops screw up and give away taxpayers money to inmates. This is a no win situation for Law Enforcement. They have been set up for failure by a public angry over a bad economy, taxes, and a perceived failure of the justice system. All I see coming is more public outrage at wasteful spending practices being forced onto government unwittingly by the very people who are outraged. I have heard the taxpayers and have been listening all along. They are upset and angry about circumstances that were not caused by the law enforcement community. Now it's time for the taxpayers to listen to the counter argument. We are trying to save you from a disastrous future. Stop ignoring the problem, it's not going away and its not getting any better. It was caused by ignoring it in the first place. Don't complain later when you were shown why you needed to do this and that you chose to fail to act. You set the stage for the chain of events to follow not law Enforcement. They did their duty and warned you. All they received was more grief from an angry and unappreciative public. You chose to ignore the warning. What will now be will be and there is nothing anybody can do to stop it. So I don't want to hear any complaints when your offender is walking the streets when he should have been in jail but there wasn't enough room. You seem to be a reasonable person Claudio. I ask that you see the whole picture, in it's proper context, not just pieces.

“This is amazing absurdity. This is the same thing Middleton did with the recent sewer bond. Just because you didn't like the answer you got doesn't mean you should keep asking. This is the practice of immature Juveniles! Make compelling changes to your plan! This new jail is nearly 7x larger than the current jail. It's like having one new kid on the way and upgrading the family sedan to a school bus. How ridiculous!

“The commissioners don't get it! It is the wrong location. Until they come up with a better plan, many of us opponents will continue to fight it. Just because they have already bought the land (done without input from local landowners and which should have been part of the bond proposal) doesn't mean they HAVE to build it there.

“You must live near the new site is my guess. No body wants it in their back yard right? Therefore it's in the wrong location?