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Canyon County Sheriff’s Office may limit concealed carry permit application hours

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Posted: Tuesday, April 30, 2013 12:05 am | Updated: 6:35 pm, Thu May 9, 2013.

Only four months into the year, the number of concealed carry permit applications in Canyon County will soon surpass the total number processed in 2012.

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5 comments:

  • shdizzle posted at 1:35 pm on Wed, May 1, 2013.

    shdizzle Posts: 169

    You are correct sir,

    And you are also correct in that it is all semantics. There is a fine line between rights and privileges. But the best way I can define them is that rights are generally declared and secured in state and federal constitutions, where privileges are later defined in law by the legislature. However, it also makes one wonder if a right is not definitively decalred does that mean we are not entitled to it? I'm sure theologians, attorneys and philosophers could argue the finer details forever.

    Rights are legal, social, or ethical principles of freedom or entitlement. Rights are fundamental normative rules of a society. A right is simply a freedom or permission for a citizen to do something without obligation to another party, in this case the government.

    In contrast, privileges extended by the state generally obligate the citizen to do something to acquire or hold said privilege. Example: Drivers Licenses, Hunting Licenses, and Concealed Weapons Permits. Also declared in these licensure laws are the person or persons responsible to grant said privileges. In this case the Sheriff. So the Sheriff is actually correct in his statement. His statements were once again taken out of context. It's all semantics.[wink]

     
  • edavis101 posted at 6:23 am on Wed, May 1, 2013.

    edavis101 Posts: 243

    Thank you for taking the time to respond to my question.

    Not to dwell in semantics with Mr. shdizzle, but the definitive difference between a "right" and a "privilege" is not whether or not they can be revoked. Both rights and privileges can be revoked.

    The "Right to own and Bear Arms" is a right, but revokable for felons. To drive an auto is a privilege, but a conviction of a DUI is grounds for revocation of that privilege.

     
  • shdizzle posted at 2:08 am on Wed, May 1, 2013.

    shdizzle Posts: 169

    Key words "so long as the applicant can legally possess a firearm". Yes the sheriff is required to issue a CWL if one is requested and a applicant meets the criteria. However, a CWL is a revokable thing which does in fact make it a privilege and not a right. If you committ any number of acts under the statute I.C. 18-3302 your privilege to have a CWL can be revoked. This is not the same as taking away your right to possess or own a firearm. It is taking away the privilege to carry it concealed. I would suggest interested persons read the code at

    http://www.legislature.idaho.gov/idstat/Title18/T18CH33SECT18-3302.htm

     
  • CarryTheTruth posted at 2:17 pm on Tue, Apr 30, 2013.

    CarryTheTruth Posts: 4

    Sheriff Donahue is incorrect. A CWL is not "a privilege". Idaho is a "Shall Issue" state, which means that if a person can lawfully possess a firearm the sheriff shall issue the CWL on behalf of the State of Idaho.

    @edavis101: If a person can show valid documentation of LEO or military training, then, yes, you can apply for the E-CWL withouth further training.
    There is no time limit as to when that training had to occur, either.

    @Everyone: You are welcome for the E-CWL, as I politely pestered/complained 3+ times last year of our present CWL's lack of reciprocity, this, to my Representative Jim Palmer, who sponsored the Bill,

    Here's a link to the bill.
    http://legislature.idaho.gov/legislation/2013/H0192.pdf

     
  • edavis101 posted at 9:18 am on Tue, Apr 30, 2013.

    edavis101 Posts: 243

    Question: Does anyone know if the new "enhanced concealed carry" license provides exceptions for retired military or law enforcement, as with the current license?????

    Military and law enforcement, over a career, will have spent hours upon hours of classroom and range time for both familiarization and qualification on a very wide variety of weapon systems.

     
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