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Nampa charter may defy state


NAMPA — Nampa Classical Academy's attorney has advised the school to defy an order from the state's Public Charter School Commission and use religious texts in its classrooms.

The move could lead the Charter Commission to effectively close the school by taking away its ability to operate with public funds, the commission's chairman said Friday.

A Wednesday letter to Idaho Public Charter School Commission program manager Tamara Baysinger from the Alliance Defense Fund threatens to sue the state panel if it continues to seek information regarding the school's possible use of the Bible and other religious texts.

The Alliance Defense Fund brought a lawsuit against the Charter Commission and state officials Sept. 1 in federal court on behalf of the charter school arguing for the school's right to use religious texts as part of its curriculum. The Wednesday letter from ADF says the Charter Commission's recent reprimands of the school are in direct "retaliation" for the lawsuit.

But a response from the Idaho Attorney General's Office e-mailed Friday to NCA attorneys said the Charter Commission and Baysinger will not comply with any of the Alliance Defense Fund's demands.

"Filing suit in federal court is not a 'Get Out (of) Jail Free' card that exempts NCA from oversight for expenditure of tax dollars and from conducting its educational mission in accordance with state law," the letter from deputy attorney general Mike Gilmore reads in part.

Nampa Classical Academy acting board chairman Mike Moffett said he did not know if or when the school would begin using religious texts. But Charter Commission chairman Bill Goesling called that statement "smoke."

"If they in fact are using religious texts and continue using religious texts I see no reason why this won't go to revocation of their charter," Goesling said. "If they want to use religious texts they need to be a private school. Public funds are not available for that."

The Charter Commission has called a special meeting at 9 a.m. Monday in Boise to discuss the matter.

Moffett said he didn't know exactly how the school's classes line up so he can't say for sure if the school will begin using religious texts. He referred questions about that to Alliance Defense Fund attorney David Cortland. Cortland could not be reached for comment Friday.

"I don't really have anything to say other than what's in the letter," Moffett said. "I'll just let that speak for the academy."

Last week the Charter Commission issued a nine-part notice of defect to Nampa Classical Academy after meeting with school officials in Boise. Part of the notice of defect applied to the school not providing information about whether there are religious texts at the school.

But the Alliance Defense Fund argues that the school is exempt from providing that information because it is related to the lawsuit.

"Federal law does not permit you (the Charter Commission) to issue public records requests during a lawsuit involving the same facts and issues," the ADF letter states.

The letter asks Baysinger to "cease and desist immediately from taking further retaliatory actions against the Academy." It later states that "failure to do so may result in you being subject to legal liability for First Amendment retaliation," citing Constitutional protections for the right to petition the government for redress of grievances.

Goesling said the Alliance Defense Fund appears more interested in making a name for itself than helping the students at Nampa Classical Academy. He said closing the academy would be a "disaster" for the school's more-than 500 students because they would have to transfer to schools that may not be prepared to provide them with adequate services. The entrance of a third party, the ADF, into issues between the Charter Commission and the school will make it harder for the issues to be resolved, he said.

"The whole charter school group is going to come away with a black eye," Goesling said. "(And) a lot of them are doing well."

 

Comments:

The founding board does not need to governing board, and it's time for the Moffett's to bow out while they can still escape with a shred of dignity. As parents, we are being told in order to support NCA, we need to back this lawsuit. This is not the case. As parents, we can support NCA by upholding our charter as written and supporting our children obtaining a classical education. NCA is a not a private school, and needs to stop acting like it. Contrary to NCA's core values, our children are being taught to disrespect and defy authority. We parents did not hire, nor agree to retain the Alliance Defense Fund or legal counsel. This was all done by founders who say they have our children's best interest at heart. NCA's founders are willing to follow through with this personal battle, until they succeed, or until our school is closed. In turn, we are being used as guinea pigs by the Alliance Defense Fund. But they have no vested interest if they lose this case. They'll just move on to their next religious cause. Our children are being used as pawns, and are going to be the ones to suffer.
For Our Children - 4:00 PM, Monday November 23, 2009
Stop complaining about the Moffett's who have given you the education choice that you like so much and start your own. You can say you like the education you are getting and then in the same breath tell those who made it happen to get out! If you dont like that they are fighting for their and your rights then get out and start your own school without any rights! Good luck to you!
NCA Supporter - 6:27 PM, Friday November 27, 2009
Well Spoken. I couldn't agree more. Board composition for starting a charter school is much different than a board for sustaining a charter school.
simply amazed - 11:44 AM, Wednesday November 25, 2009
Says who...you? Other progressive charter school leaders? If you want a school that becomes like every other public school...do what they do...if not, then do what they dont!
NCA Supporter - 6:28 PM, Friday November 27, 2009
I agree. Our children are the only ones that will suffer if the "original" board members do not step down. They are using the school as their own political platform. The school is not the place for that nor is it the time. Those men and women that are pushing this issue should be ashamed of themselves, get off their soap boxes and start using that energy towards real issues in the school. NCA is a public school not a private school. The "original" board members need to be remind of that. What a shame!
Amazed - 3:55 PM, Tuesday November 24, 2009
"...Alliance Defense Fund threatens to sue the state panel if it continues to seek information regarding the school's possible use of the Bible and other religious texts..". Someone, please educate me here; Can an entity be sued for 'seeking information'?
speckinspace - 8:41 PM, Sunday November 22, 2009
I, for one, hope the Board/Administration ignores this piece of advice from the lawyer. I remember that the Board assured us parents that the Academy would comply with the Commission. I think the Board was right to sue (especially at the rate ADF was going to charge), I think the curriculum is wholly constitutional and just wonderful. But charging ahead without solid legal footing...very troubling.
MyKidsDad - 6:26 PM, Sunday November 22, 2009
Well there is solid legal grounds to stand on and the Board has always been up front. The Commission recived a list of every book to be used this year and when back in Sep. This is all public record. As the Comission for it and you will see they know what NCA is using!
NCA Supporter - 6:31 PM, Friday November 27, 2009
Is there any other news in the world? I wouldn't know it reading this paper anymore.
replicant - 1:07 PM, Sunday November 22, 2009
I know your exaggeration is to make a point..but... who else is going to cover the "NCA debacle"? Personally, I'm very happy with the way that IPT is keeping this story in the spotlight. The rest of the world is there at your monitor screen.
speckinspace - 7:23 PM, Sunday November 22, 2009
Why are the parents allowing the school to be run this way?? Rise up people! Otherwise you will be looking for a new school very soon. The Alliance Defense fund is now running the school. Is this what you expected when you enrolled your child? Arrogance and complete disregard for the state Constitution should not be the cornerstone of this school.
Satchel - 9:36 PM, Saturday November 21, 2009
My child attends NCA. We read their website, and met with the representatives at the school before putting our child on a 16 month waiting list. The parents that have their children at this school CHOSE to do so. I am behind NCA 100%, if the state wants a fight, that is exactly what they will get.
Deanfense - 9:51 AM, Monday November 23, 2009
Well said....lets give them them the fight they are asking for!
NCA Supporter - 6:32 PM, Friday November 27, 2009
You will loose. If you want a provate school, pony up the cash adn enroll your kids at Nampa Christian or Bishop Kelly. What's that, you can't or won't pony up the cash for private school, then abide by the public school rules - which include full disclosure and oversight by the granting authority (in this case the Charter Commission) as well as following state laws regarding the use of religious texts in a public school enviroment.
simply amazed - 12:01 PM, Wednesday November 25, 2009
You will loose. If you want a provate school, pony up the cash adn enroll your kids at Nampa Christian or Bishop Kelly. What's that, you can't or won't pony up the cash for private school, then abide by the public school rules - which include full disclosure and oversight by the granting authority (in this case the Charter Commission) as well as following state laws regarding the use of religious texts in a public school enviroment.
simply amazed - 11:49 AM, Wednesday November 25, 2009
I seem to recall a school board in Dover, PA wanted to fight. Seems like that fight cost the taxpayers in neighborhood of $1,000,000.00 (and they lost). Is the ADF willing to cough up a million bucks if they lose?
DarwinRules - 1:56 PM, Tuesday November 24, 2009
I met with people, read all the literature and chose the school, too. I even agree with the lawsuit -- but don't see the sense in poking the angry bear with a stick just because we want to. Let the lawsuit run its course before doing anything else. The Board's email said "we will comply." what happened to that?
MyKidsDad - 2:06 PM, Monday November 23, 2009
You are correct. We did make that decision. Our decision was to put our children in a Public Charter School not enroll them in a lawsuit.
savenampaclassical - 10:22 AM, Monday November 23, 2009
Thank you for taking your kids our.....this is no time to be a wish washy parent who gives up their rights in front of their children. Of course now you are still fighting NCA because you want revenge. You didn’t get your way, as illegal as it was, and now you want pay back....nice....
NCA Supporter - 6:35 PM, Friday November 27, 2009
I AGREE! We can not continue to roll over. If you are a parent of NCA children and no longer want your children used as stepping stones please email savenampaclassical@yahoo.com. Ask yourself do you want Alliance Defense Fund to make decisions about the future education of your children?
savenampaclassical@yahoo.com - 12:38 PM, Sunday November 22, 2009
Good for you! It is amazing that parents have allowed this to go on for as long as it has.
BlueinIdaho - 6:34 PM, Sunday November 22, 2009
THIS IS NOT A RELIGIOUS SCHOOL! I wouldn't send my children their if it were. Get your facts straight! And leave the school alone. It's about children getting a good education and that is all!
S. - 6:26 PM, Saturday November 21, 2009
For all of you who have such a strong opinion, I ask you, do you have children in school? Do you want what is best for them? Do you want them to excel in school as well as life? That IS what this school and what we the parents stand for! We all want what is best for the children!
Amy - 6:23 PM, Saturday November 21, 2009
Yes Christians want to take a mile when given and inch, just as all humans do with what they believe in. IE... Latter Day Saint missionaries and Jehovah witnesses visiting neighborhoods, Muslim extremist using violence to have their beliefs recognized, the ACLU when defending civil liberties they believe are correct, political parties in promoting their candidates and Darwinist s of the past and present promoting and pursuing their belief in evolution to such a degree that it is taught in all public schools. All people have religion even atheist, what ever is the primary belief and focus of ones life is a type of religion.
minnette - 6:12 PM, Saturday November 21, 2009
If Atheism (non-belief in a god)is a religion, then that must mean that NOT collecting stamps should be considered to be a hobby....?
speckinspace - 11:27 AM, Sunday November 22, 2009
I'm disappointed in the lapse in logic from you of all people in this statement, I thought you knew better. This is not a logical comparison because non-collectors do not have a "non-belief" in stamps.
replicant - 1:06 PM, Sunday November 22, 2009
You're probably right, Rep...I will never make claim to being terribly bright or skilled in the ways of intellectual discourse. Thank you for the correction.
speckinspace - 7:04 PM, Sunday November 22, 2009
Speckinspace, I think you are actually closer to right than wrong. An atheist is someone who denies the existence of god. There is no belief involved. So if a stamp collector is someone that "believes in the existence of stamps" and collects them, why a can't a person that "denies the existence of stamps" and constantly seeks the proof they don't exist have that as a hobby?
DarwinRules - 4:08 PM, Tuesday November 24, 2009
Speckinspace, I think you are actually closer to right than wrong. An atheist is someone who denies the existence of god. There is no belief involved. So if a stamp collector is someone that "believes in the existence of stamps" and collects them, why a can't a person that "denies the existence of stamps" and constantly seeks the proof they don't exist have that as a hobby?
DarwinRules - 2:15 PM, Tuesday November 24, 2009
"An Atheist denies the existence of God". Exactly. I could not have stated it better myself. An Atheist does not proceed from zero, or pure objectivity, but from a desire to deny the existence of God. A belief in a "non-belief". Every source of information or evidence one way or the other, will be run through the aforementioned filter. So much for objectivity. I know the answer will be to state that I don't have objectivity, but I never claimed to have it.
replicant - 5:46 PM, Tuesday November 24, 2009
Some people who believe that the Bible is the "word of God" will go to any length, even break the law, to follow the Great Commission. That is why we must strictly enforce our state laws that keep schools and churches separated. If we give the church an inch, it will soon want a yard.
speckinspace - 4:04 PM, Saturday November 21, 2009
speckinspace, you deserve a noodling from the Flying Spaghetti Monster.
DarwinRules - 6:28 PM, Saturday November 21, 2009
I'm so thankful for all the noodley blessings from the one TRUE God...and... I wish for all people to be spared from being thrown into the eternal pot of boiling tomato sauce...SO.. Can we teach my beliefs at NCA too? What could it possible hurt?
speckinspace - 11:21 AM, Sunday November 22, 2009
If your beliefs were a significant part of cultural influence and helped shape a whole socital change in the world then yes the great spaghetti noodler would be discussed and taught about. What people need to understand is NCA wants to teach about religion, and use the text of those religions. They do not want to teach religion. There is a difference between teaching about and teaching the actual religion. IT is about rounding out the cultural and historical content being taught. It is not about trying to influence children about any specific religion. If religion were not a part of our culture and influential beliefs would we all even be having this debate?
fredomof education - 3:27 PM, Sunday November 22, 2009
Your argument sounds reasonable, yet I remain skeptical regarding the intentions of NCA's use of religious texts. I guess we'll probably all watch how it plays out (probably in court) and draw our own personal conclusions.
speckinspace - 7:00 PM, Sunday November 22, 2009
Were any of the parents forced to put their kids in this charter school? i personally don't see the problem with using ALL kinds of texts in teaching the kids. Isn't Darwinism and evolution a theory? I believe I also read that the school is also teaching the Greek and Roman gods in lessons as well. When will the political correctness stop and sensibility set back in? Pretty soon there will be a ban on the word CHRISTmas! As long as the school is not teaching one religion over another, there is no problem. We use the virtual acadmemy - A PUBLIC Charter - and they taught the story of Moses, will that be taken away as well? I don't deny the rights of traditional schools to be able to teach this stuff or not do so, but if people are truly worried about budget problem, look at the federal and state deficit issues- now there is wasted spending. Just because some people don't want to use the religious texts, then don't send their kids to the OPTIONAL CHARTER SCHOOL! Or simply start your own and use whatever documents you want, but be carefull because YOU will be heavily critized by the KING at the Charter School Commission who is apparently on a WITCH hunt!
We all have rights - 1:42 PM, Saturday November 21, 2009
The problem is charter schools are supported by tax dollars and the Hindu taxpayer has no way of preventing his tax dollars from supporting a religion he does not believe in. Next chance you get, look up the definition for a scientific "theory". You might actual learn something. There are religious courses approved for public schools such as the one used in Caldwell. I suspect the NCA wants to push protestant christianity over all others. Why isn't the NCA right up front if it is doing nothing wrong?
DarwinRules - 3:31 PM, Saturday November 21, 2009
"I suspect the NCA wants to push protestant christianity over all others" Then why do all the documents talk about the Book of Mormon and the Qur'an in addition to the Bible?
JustSomeGuy - 6:08 PM, Sunday November 22, 2009
Nampa School District needs to prepare for the student influx. The NCA has clearly misrepresented itself to the taxpayers, the legal challenge has been the aim all along. Time to shut them down by pulling the funds.
fearless - 1:15 PM, Saturday November 21, 2009
Now it is the state commission that is kneejerking. They are apparently on a power trip, embarrassed to have a lawsuit against them. They need to handle it with grace as Canyon County had to with the ACLU suit. Meanwhile, a few Bible verses won't hurt the kids--after all, they are exposed to far worse from the left in the name of political correctness. If the parents are okay with it, let it go. Local control, right? Public Bibliophobes.
TruthFire - 11:34 AM, Saturday November 21, 2009
How about a few verses from the Quran, the Torah, and The God Delusion?
DarwinRules - 1:01 PM, Saturday November 21, 2009
Check into what the charter school would like to use in teaching history if allowed the material chosen does include the Koran Torah and the Bible. I am so tired of people making comments they haven't researched first. PS They also use several theories to teach history of the earth, Darwinism, creationism and intelligent design.
minnette - 5:42 PM, Saturday November 21, 2009
minnette: You said, "They also use several theories to teach history of the earth, Darwinism, creationism and intelligent design." As so many before you, you lack even the simplest understanding of what constitutes a scientific theory - it must be testable (using observable evidence), repeatable, and subject to revision when new facts are discovered. You are mistakenly confusing theory with hunches, or with belief and faith. Evolution is a scientific theory which is supported by observable, testable and repeatable phenomena and scientific facts. Creationism and intelligent design (which are one and the same) are based entirely on belief and religious faith, and can not be tested or supported by any observable, factual processes or scientific facts. They are NOT scientific theories. Public funds may not be used to teach religious dogma, or faith masquerading as science. Read "Kitzmiller v. Dover Schools" -- really READ the judge's decision, and when you understand it, you'll grasp why the Moffetts will not succeed in sneaking their religious beliefs into a publicly funded school. And contrary to what creationists so often try to suggest, evolution theory is not just a hunch that somebody came up with one night after drinking too much coffee. It has survived (and evolved) for over 150 years, because it is supported by the scientific method, and by physical, observable evidence.
Hoping for the Best - 8:49 PM, Saturday November 21, 2009
Intersting that you claim the Evolution theory is scientific. All of the supposed "truths" of evolution have been dis-proved. There are NO species tweens. There is NO "scientific" proof of macro-evolution. (Darwin observed MICRO changes.. not MACRO. And exactly who witnessed the beginning of the earth? come on.. raise your hand... The belief in evolution requires much more faith then belief in intelligent design. Evolutionists are perplexed by a peacock's feather and the complexitiy of the eye. True scientific research has been (and will continue to be) pointing to intelligent design. The truth is there if you chose to open your eyes and see it. I have three children enrolled in a Charter School. In science they present cases for both creation and evolution. They examine the theories on both sides and evaluate the "scientific" truths presented. A teacher once told me: if I present only one view I am indoctrinating, If I present both sides I am educating." The students are allowed to make up their own minds about what they choose to believe. When they removed our Bibles from schools and banned prayer we have been able to witness: 500% increase in violent crimes, 400% increase in births to un-wed mothers, 400% increase in divorce rates, 300% increase of single parent homes, 200% increase in teenage suicides and a 75% DECREASE in SAT scores. Sounds like a TERRIFIC course of action >.>
justasinner2 - 5:02 PM, Sunday November 22, 2009
justasinner2: You can make any ridiculous, cartoonish claim you want, since you obviously have no way to back up your absurd claims. 500 years ago, everyone, and I do mean EVERYONE, was just as certain that the earth was flat as you are that "all of the supposed 'truths' of evolution have been dis-proved", or that "True scientific research has been (and will continue to be) pointing to intelligent design". You might as well say, "ALL science has been completely refuted, and if the Bible says the sky is green, well, then, it must be green." You are just making it up as you go along, and whether you can grasp it or not, the scientific method easily trumps your foolish fantasies. Go drink some more of your religious Kool-Aid, and sleep soundly, certain in your belief that the earth is 6,000 years old. Much like your God, the truth doesn't care if you believe in it or not. It is what it is, and you are what you are: delusional. Oh, and by the way, the sky is blue, not green. Deal with it.
Hoping for the Best - 1:14 AM, Wednesday November 25, 2009
justasinner2: Appears you are blowwing a little smoke on those percentages. Care to tell us your source?
DarwinRules - 7:05 PM, Tuesday November 24, 2009
Since Nampa Classical opened, logic and common sense from those that support the Moffett brothers has gone down 1000%. See, I can throw around random unsupported percentages too.
BlueinIdaho - 10:11 AM, Monday November 23, 2009
Well bust my bubble!! I though it was 9682%.
DarwinRules - 11:24 PM, Wednesday November 25, 2009
Excellent! A popular "hypothesis" (ie; creationism - I.D.) and a scientific "theory" (ie; Evolution) are not within a billion miles of being the same thing. It is to the detriment of our kids that a radical few people who are hell bent on pushing their dogma into the classroom are blinded from understand such a simple truth.
speckinspace - 1:40 PM, Sunday November 22, 2009
Speck - What the NCA middle schoolers were taught is that evolution is the most commonly accepted explanation for the arise of mankind. However, they were also taught that some people believe in creationism and some in intelligent design. Do you think they would be reasonably well educated on the topic if they had no idea that other beliefs exist? We can't have our children be ostriches with their heads stuck in the sand. Not informing them of other ideas would make them ill prepared to go out into the world and have an intelligent discussion on the topic with anyone. Who would want that?
schoolchoice - 10:43 PM, Sunday November 22, 2009
You may not have a problem presenting I.D. in public school, but the State of Idaho sure does.
speckinspace - 12:47 AM, Monday November 23, 2009
ID and creationism were given about 10 minutes of a unit on evolution. No, I don't have a problem with that. It would be a disservice to our students not to let them know that a fairly large portion of our population has other ideas about our origins. Again, how are they supposed to go out into the world and have an intelligent discussion with someone about man's origins without some notion of other ideas?
schoolchoice - 10:17 AM, Monday November 23, 2009
Tell it to the judge ;-)
speckinspace - 1:44 PM, Monday November 23, 2009
To participate in an "intelligent discussion" on evolution doesn't mean that you need to be schooled on unsupported beliefs on that subject. For example, if a school teaches about space exploration and discusses the moon landing; should they discuss the unsupported belief that the landing was faked? Would this assist in educating the student about space exploration? Would this assist the student in "intelligent discussion"? Intelligent discussion involves logic -- inductive and deductive reasoning, not unsupported personal beliefs. Leave "beliefs" out of the classroom.
Satchel - 11:13 AM, Monday November 23, 2009
Satchel: good logic!
DarwinRules - 1:52 PM, Tuesday November 24, 2009
Shutter the NCA doors, let them go to whatever church they desire and set a private school. If NCA is a religious academy, just say so, trying being honest. Withdraw public funds and flush the toilet.
Celtic1 - 8:56 AM, Saturday November 21, 2009
It appears the inmates are running the asylum when it comes to the NCA and ADF. They scream "Constitutional rights" but have no problem trampling on the rights of parents or taxpayers that don't support their brand of religion. This is a classical example of the problems religion in the public square creates. Why does religion turn off common sense in so many people?
DarwinRules - 8:48 AM, Saturday November 21, 2009
DarwinRules asked; "...Why does religion turn off common sense in so many people?..." Answer: Fear of death.
speckinspace - 1:47 PM, Sunday November 22, 2009


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